Monday, December 16, 2013 12:00 pm – 12:00 pm EST This discussion is archived.

Dr. Steve Greenberg is a neurologist and director of the inclusion-body myositis lab participating in research at Harvard University Medical School, Brigham and Young Hospital, and Children’s Hospital in Boston, answers your questions about “BYM338-Novartis Breakthrough Therapy for IBM.”

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TMA:

Dr. Greenberg is a neurologist and director of the inclusion-body myositis lab participating in research at Harvard University Medical School, Brigham and Young Hospital, and Children’s Hospital in Boston. BYM338 was granted “breakthrough” status by the FDA because it showed promise in treating inclusion-body myositis in a small trial led by Dr. Greenberg. TMA is offering another opportunity to ask questions. Please join me in welcoming Dr. Greenberg.

Dr. Greenberg:

Thank you for the introduction.

  • Drug Effectiveness

    Participant:

    Is the effectiveness of the drug related to the advancement of one’s IBM?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    It is still unknown whether the drug is or is not effective in IBM – that’s why studies are being performed.

  • Non-Trial Patients

    Participant:

    BYM338will there be any compassionate use available to those patients who can’t get in to the trial (study), and whose disease is progressing rapidly?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    This is something Novartis decides and I don’t know the answer.

  • Health Benefits vs. Side Effects

    Participant:

    Hi Dr Greenburg,Can you please answer the questions below:Please clarify what stage the drug is at- i believe stage 3 – can you please confirm?What requirements are there to enter into a clinical trial and will Novartis approach specialist consultants for suitable patients? We are currently waiting to hear whether a trial will run in the UK ( we are based in Ireland.) Is there any update on final list of trial locations?Do we know any more on the stage two results and the potential health risks involved in taking BYM338?Any more info on the success/ failure rates of the drug and benefits/ adverse effects patients have experienced?many thanks

    Dr. Greenberg:

    BYM338 has been studied in a completed phase II study for IBM and is currently being studied in a phase II/III study. The requirements for study entry are extensive and too detailed to list here, and are reviewed in individual patients with individual study investigators. The phase II results have not been published yet and the study involved only 14 participants.

  • Completion Date

    Participant:

    As of Thursday, December 12 the clinical trials.gov website shows this study having 12 participating investigative sites in the United States. It appears that only two are currently recruiting while the other 10 are listed as “not yet recruiting”. As I understand it, the active treatment part of the study will run for 52 weeks with an additional year of follow-up on each study patient. The start date is listed as September 2013 and estimated completion date November 2015. It seems as though the all-site completion date will be well beyond that. Could you comment please.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    It is difficult to predict when the all-site completeion date will be – as you note, this depends on the timeline for the last patient enrolled. After that last patient is enrolled, I do anticipate an additional 52 weeks at least of study.

  • Patient Treatment

    Participant:

    If the BYM338 trial shows positive results, how long will it be until it is available for patient treatment? How is the drug administered?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    This depends on many factors and I can’t make an accurate estimate. BYM338 is currently administered IV

  • Side-effects

    Participant:

    What are the anticipated side-effects of this medication?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Very few IBM patients have received BYM338 so it is still too early to know.

  • Candidate?

    Participant:

    I have had 2 muscle biopsies looking to clinically confirm IBM. Unfortunately neither of those confirmed the diagnosis. My doctor has diagnosed me with “suspicion of IBM”. Am I a candidate for BYM338 trial?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    This depends on what specifically was seen on the muscle biopsy and would be reviewed at the time of screening for this trial by a study investigator.

  • General Availablity

    Participant:

    Assuming the best scenario, with no unexpected delays, and also assuming approval by the FDA, what is the earliest likely time that BYM338 will be generally available?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I can’t predict this timing, even under the bestcase scenario, sorry.

  • Treating Severe Cases

    Participant:

    Is there any likelihood that BYM338 will be useful in treating the effects of severe polymyositis and dermatomyositis, cases in which the disease was very active for many years and has resulted in long-term, possibly permanent, muscle damage?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    This is unknown currently.

  • Anabolic Steriods

    Participant:

    Why was testing never done on using anabolic steroids on IBM patients the way the anabolic steriods are used on patients with AIDS and heart disease? Sure there are serious risks to them, but the risks are less than with drugs like the cyclophosphamide used to treat DM/PM — as with the heavy duty drugs used to treat DM/PM, why did physicians not consider that the risk was justified by the benefit? Also these are older drugs with track records and the long term risks are relatively well known compared with brand new drugs.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    A study of oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in IBM was conducted by Dr. Seward Rutkove and his colleagues, and has been published.

  • Travel?

    Participant:

    Presuming that BYM 338 becomes approved for IBM treatment, will it become available to all doctors, or will travel to a limited number specialists throughout the country be necessary?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    In general, once a drug is approved by the FDA, any licensed physician can prescribe it.

  • Canadian Patients

    Participant:

    Do clinical trials, specifically BYM 338, accept patients from Canada?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    If you periodically check clinicaltrials.gov, and search under BYM338, an updated list will be present as to whether Canadian sites are enrolling patients.

  • Doctor Submitting Documents

    Participant:

    Can a family doctor submit documents for a clinical trial if IBM doctor is not interested?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Only investigators of the study can enroll patients.

  • Muscle Groups vs. All Muscles

    Participant:

    Patients with IBM have weakness in different muscle groups, some in legs and arms, some in hands or feet. Does the BYM338 target specific muscle groups or does it impact all muscles?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    BYM338 does not a have a limited set of target muscles in principal.

  • Palo Alto?

    Participant:

    Will there be a trial site at Stanford Medical Center in Palo Alto, California? If so who is the contact?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I don’t know and can’t speak to questions as to which sites will be enrolling – you can check clinicaltrials.gov or contact Novartis.

  • Before 2017?

    Participant:

    If the trial is successful, is there any chance the drug will be available before 2017?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I can’t predict even the possibilities for when or if approval might occur.

  • Candidate for Treatment

    Participant:

    I have had ibm for 20yr. I am Reduced to a wheelchair. would bym 338be a approrate medication for me.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I can’t speak to your particular status, but some limited ability to walk, even with an assist device, is necessary to participate in the current BYM338 IBM trial.

  • Examples of Increased Muscle Strength

    Participant:

    Do you have any specific examples to illustrate the extent of increased muscle strength in Phase II patients; for example, amount of increased distance walked in a specific time; number difference in QMT.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    The Phase II results have not been published yet

  • IVIG Infusions

    Participant:

    Does receiving IVIG infusions eliminate a patient from participating in upcoming Phase III studies?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Ongoing IVIG treatment excludes participation in the BYM338 trial currently.

  • Update on Results

    Participant:

    In the Novartis press release, it stated results of the Phase II study were to be presented at the American Neurological Assn. meeting on Oct. 14 and was expected to be published in a major medical journal late this year. Did this occur? Could you update us on the content of the study results, or is there a website you could refer us to?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Results have not been published yet, so I can’t speak to them yet.

  • Blood Tests?

    Participant:

    At the 2012 TMA conference in Orlando, you stated there was a possibility of a blood test becoming available that would aid in diagnosing IBM. Did this occur?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Yes, there is a blood test that has been described in publications and is being used in practice.

  • How does BYM338 Work?

    Participant:

    How does BYM338 work? Does it improve strength of existing muscles only? Does it grow new muscles? Does it prevent future muscle cell/strength loss?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    It is currently unknown whether BYM338 works – that’s one of the reasons it is undergoing studies.

  • Positive Results?

    Participant:

    If I am chosen for the clinical trial and receive the placebo, will they switch everyone over to BYM338 if they are observing positive results?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I can’t speak to what Novartis will do. Often, patients do get switched over to open-label once completing a trial and if results are promising.

  • Nucleif Acid Metabolism

    Participant:

    Hi Dr Greenberg, It was nice to meet you in Kentucky as you were leaving your last session at the conference. I am wondering if Nucleic Acid Metabolism maybe some sort of link to IBM and if that has anything to do with BYM338. I am looking to understand the theory of what BYM338 does for our awful disease.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Nucleic acid metabolism may be a link to the mechanism of IBM, as you note; this is an areas of ongoing research.

  • IBM Symptom Relief

    Participant:

    Dr Greenburg Will this drug also be effective for other IBM issues such a swallowing and arm and hand weekness?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Its being studied for these issues also.

  • Sign Up

    Participant:

    How can we sign up for the therapy?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    If you are looking to contact Novartis about enrolling in this trial, they have contact information on the clinicaltrials.gov website

  • Cramping/Efficacy

    Participant:

    Dr. Greenberg,Thank you for undertaking research into this rare disease, and taking the time today to provide us information. I have two questions:1. Dr. would you speculate to the cause of the cramping reported in this study, could it be an insufficient blood supply? 2. Additionally, if this therapy is approved could you speculate on the efficacy for someone who has had IBM for 20 years and has been in a wheelchair for 10.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    The mechanism of cramping is not known, it certainly could relate to blood supply. I can’t speculate on exactly which muscles and which stage of disease BYM338 could benefit or whether it will turn out to be effective.

  • Advanced IBM

    Participant:

    Is there a probability that individual whose IBM is more advanced will be excluded from the trials?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Inability to walk even a few steps with or without an assist device will exclude patients from the current trial

  • Getting Better?

    Participant:

    Can a patient expect to get better with this medicine or does it just make the progress of the disease slower?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    We don’t know the answer to either question, and hope that studies will help clarify both

  • Additional Trial Sites

    Participant:

    Dr. Greenberg. Will additional trial sites be established beyond those already identified?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Novartis will determine this and I think it is possible.

  • Enrollment

    Participant:

    For several months, the clinicaltrials.gov website has listed only 2 sites enrolling into the trial. Do you know when the other sites will begin enrolling?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I can’t predict the date that others will start enrolling, but hopefully it will be within a few months.

  • Early Indications

    Participant:

    Are there any very early indications from stage 3 trials that have been ongoing for few months?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    No.

  • International Trials

    Participant:

    Will BYM338, if it becomes available, be available at different times in different countries? Trial is international and perhaps different countries have different legislation and procedures.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Yes, the logistics of individual sites and countries does affect these studies.

  • Duration

    Participant:

    Will it be necessary to be at the clinical study more than once a month for the injection?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Trial committment and time involved is best discussed at the time of screening with a study investigator, as there are some site to site differences.

  • Blood Test

    Participant:

    What is the name of the new blood test being used to assist with IBM diagnosis?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    The test is called anti-cN1A or anti-NT5C1A antibodies

  • Test-protocol

    Participant:

    I am a wheelchair-bound IBM patient. If the drug is successful, an increase in my hand and arm strength would greatly increase my quality of life. Might the test protocol be changed so people in my situation can be included in the clinical trial? I don’t expect to ever be able to walk again.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    That is unlikely, but ultimately decided by Novartis.

  • Availability

    Participant:

    Dr. Greenberg. Thank you for your answers. I wanted still to clarify my question – I was meaning that if BYM388 becomes available in drugstores, will that happen different time in different countries? FDA does not regulate Denmark, for example – as far as I know.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    It commonly occurs that a drug becomes available in one country but not another.

  • Transfer Sites

    Participant:

    If an individual is enrolled in the study in Phoenix or Houston can they transfer to another site if they move?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I don’t know the answer to that question, it would have to be addressed by Novartis study monitors if the situation came up.

  • Heart Issues

    Participant:

    Does this new med interfere with heart issues such as hypertension or cause any arrythmias?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    It is currently an investigational compound, best not described as a “medication”.I can’t comment on whether or not it has been determined to contribute to any specific side effects yet.

  • Reliability of Blood Testing

    Participant:

    How reliable is the blood test in accurately diagnosing IBM?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    The blood test reliability depends on how it is used together with other clinical information, and may depend on exactly how the test is performed.

  • Drug Mechanism

    Participant:

    Can you explain the mechanism of action for this new drug and a how it works on damaged muscles?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    BYM338 binds to a muscle receptor and may act by blocking that receptor’s action on muscle atrophy and might therefore increase the size and strength of a muscle.

  • TMA Conference Presentation

    Participant:

    I would guess that most of us here saw your presentation on BM338 at the TMA conference in October. Is there anything new that you can tell us, perhaps something that was not included in your presentation?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I am sorry, no update on news other than what is available on clinicaltrials.gov, that sites have enrolled patients already.

  • Site Enrollment

    Participant:

    Do all of the sights need to be enrolled before the trial in Boston can begin

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Sites enroll independently, as they meet all the necessary criteria to do so.

  • FDA Decision

    Participant:

    Can you speak to what positive findings were seen in earlier parts of the study that prompted the FDA to move further investigation to a “breakthrough” status? Specifically, what clinical changes were seen that justified the acceleration of these studies?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I want in particular to clarify that BYM338 is not a “breakthrough therapy”. Rather, the FDA granted the breakthrough therapy designation to this IBM drug development program. The designation has particular advantages, such as acceleration, as you note. I can’t speak to what data was presented to the FDA that supported their decision to grant this status.

  • Recruiting Sites

    Participant:

    Dr. Greenberg, the clinical trials website has changed at http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01925209?term=IBM&rank=11There is no longer list of recruiting sites. How can we understand now, which site is enrolling and we should immediately contact them? Is there some other website we should check? Thank you for answers.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I wasn’t aware of that change. Contacting Novartis through the number provided is likely the only option, unless your doctor has specific information about his/her site plans

  • Any Administration?

    Participant:

    A couple of sites have been listed as “recruiting”. Have either of those sites actually administered any BYM338 to any patients yet?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    I don’t know.

  • Nerve Activation Signal

    Participant:

    Has it been studied if the nerve activation signal improves with this drug through emgs or just muscle size. If i am remembering correctly you need a good nerve impulses traveling along mylin sheaths to conduct nerve impulses to make the muscles work, so improving amount of muscle might not help the signal.

    Dr. Greenberg:

    The nerve input to muscle in IBM is fine and is sufficient.

  • Boston

    Participant:

    Is it possible that the Boston site may still be enrolling participants in April?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    That is possible.

  • Steroid Use

    Participant:

    Is there a risk the drug trial could see positive outcomes for people with IBM but be denied authorization to be produced for fear of improper use by athletes to “bulk” up?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    That seems unlikely to me.

  • Travel Expenses

    Participant:

    Thank you Dr. Greenberg for taking the time to answer our questions. Approximately how often will it be necessary to go to the trial site? If one traveled out of state, would there be any compensation to assist with travel expenses?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    Visits are approximately every 4 weeks. I can’t speak to whether all sites will have budgets for travel expenses.

  • Chemical Name

    Participant:

    What is the chemical or biological name for BYM338?

    Dr. Greenberg:

    BYM338 is an antibody against activin type II receptors

TMA:

This concludes today’s discussion. TMA would like to extend a special thank you to Dr. Greenberg for taking the time from his busy schedule to answer your questions. Thanks to all the members who participated.

Dr. Greenberg:

Thank you for having me.