Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:00 pm – 3:00 pm EST This discussion is archived.

Dr. Tahseen Mozaffar will be featured in a live discussion about the use of IVIG in myositis treatment on Wednesday, May 18 at 4 pm ET. Dr Mozaffar is a neurologist, an associate professor of neurology at the University of California (Irvine) School of Medicine, and he directs the neuromuscular program at the UCI School of Medicine. He is also the director of the UCI-MDA ALS and Neuromuscular Center. He is a member of TMA’s medical advisory board.

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  • Massive headaches and High Fever

    Participant:

    Diagnosed, by biopsy with DM, but no rash! I’ve been on IVIG for 12 months, 9 months with one provider and 3 months with another. I receive 8 – 10 hours of infusion 5 days a week each month. My question is, since I moved and started with the new provider, I’ve experienced massive headaches and high fevers during the infusions! Never had this with past provider. I know each batch is different but could a buffer in this brand of IVIG be causing my problems!

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    It looks like you are receiving too much IVIG. The symptoms of headaches and fevers are not unusual for IVIG infusions; it usually responds to slowing down the rate of infusion. However, you may want to make sure that IVIG is not causing a chemical meningitis, a rare complication, that would require a lumbar puncture “spinal’ tap for diagnosis

  • Is CPK the only measure of IVIG success?

    Participant:

    I have either pm or ibm. A few years ago I had an IVIG series during 2 years. I felt it helped me tremendously feel stronger in the long run. My Rheumy tho felt that it was not successful since my CPK did not go down and stay down. He has never recommened it again. Is CPK the only measure of IVIG success? (My CPK ranges from 1300 to 2600)

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    CPK is not the only measure of success. Your symptoms but more importantly your strength measurements should be the measure of success. If you benefitted, and it has to be objective and reproducible measurement of it, then I don’t care what happened to the CPK.

  • Working toward remission

    Participant:

    I am currently on cellcept and IvIg. Currently symptom free. I have DM. Eventually I would like to be off medications hopefully weaning off cellcept and then IvIg, as I think cellcept has more risks associated with side effects. In my opinion i should try to reach remission without the need of suppressing my immune system. I have not experienced any negative side effects with neither treatment. what are your thoughts?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    If you decide to try to get off the medications, it has to be a mutual decision between you and your physician. You should not try to do this yourself. It can be done but there are risks and therefore your treating physician has to be the one to initiate it and monitor it.

  • What is the most important thing I should be doing to preserve what muscle I have left?

    Participant:

    I am a 53 year old male with IBM for the past 5 years steadily loosing muscle, what is the most important thing I should be doing to preserve what muscle I have left?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Try to stay active with emphasis on keeping your muscles active (not necessarily focusing on making them stronger, but just active). Exercise, especially aerobic exercise, including stationary bikes, and swimming would help.

  • Side effects of long term IVIG therapy?

    Participant:

    What are the side effects of long term IVIG therapy?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Very little; there is risk of blood clots, and some kidney dysfunction but overall very little long term consequences.

  • Could I possibly have a combination of poly and IBM?

    Participant:

    I have IBM and tried IVIG for a year at a cost of $12,000 to me. It seemed to help, but is not approved or covered for IBM because it isn’t supposed to help. Could I possibly have a combination of poly and IBM ,and is anything being done to get approval and medicare coverage of IVIG for IBM?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    You either have PM or IBM and IVIG usually does not work in IBM, and even it does, the effects are very minimal and short-lived. So unless there was a robust improvement, I am not sure I can support its use much in IBM either.

  • Should I try IVIG again?

    Participant:

    I was diagnosed with IBM in 2002. As part of my earliest treatment I had over 30 IVIG treatments. I did not notice any measurable improvement during or after the conclusion of treatment. In the subsequent eight plus years I have grown progressively weaker. Is there any reason to believe that renewed IVIG treatments, at this time, would be of any benefit? Thank you.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No, as I said in the earlier question, IVIG does not have a great track record. We do offer it to patients, but if it does not work we stop and there is no reason to go back to it, if it did not work in the first place.

  • Does IVIG prevent significant muscle destruction?

    Participant:

    Is there any evidence that ivig prevents significant muscle destruction?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No, there is no such evidence.

  • Long-term side effects of IVIG?

    Participant:

    I have polmyositis and I have been getting IVIG every 5 wks (3 day infusion) for 17 yrs In your opinion, are there any long-term side effects?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Very little risks.

  • Is it normal to continue to have pain with IVIG?

    Participant:

    My name is Pam Walker. I have DM/ILD w/ features of antisynthetase syndrome. I have been taking IVIg therapy since January and while I have overall improvement in strength, stamina, and skin issues, I still have a great deal of pain. Is this normal with IVIg?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Not unusual with antisynthetase antibody syndrome, and not related to IVIG.

  • Once I am in remission will I be out of the woods?

    Participant:

    At one point my Ck count was over 13,000. It has been almost 2 years my count is now over 500. Once I am in remission will I be out of the woods as far as worrying about the number going up again and the immobility returning? Thanks for your help

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Not knowing what your underlying diagnosis it is difficult to answer this. However, immune myopathies have a tendency to relapse, so even if it comes back to normal, there may a chance for it to recur.

  • Danger with IVIG?

    Participant:

    I recently heard of someone having a pulmonary embolism after an airline trip, one day after an IVIG infusion. How common is this danger?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    IVIG can promote blood clots; some of it may be related to inactivity but IVIG does make blood thicker and in some cases, the preparation of IVIG may knock off some good clotting proteins, making one more susceptible to blood clots.

  • Do you recommend IVIG patients receiving a normal saline drip?

    Participant:

    Do you recommend IVIG patients receiving a normal saline drip before, during or after an infussion, in order to eliminate or minimize side-efffects? If so how much?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Sometimes but not all the time. Usually 500 cc

  • Severe Headaches After Infusion

    Participant:

    For patients who experience severe headaches after an infusion, do you recommend a particular prescription or regimen? If so what?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Sometimes we slow the rate of infusion to help with that. other times we give them migraine prophylaxis.

  • What measures of success exist for treating PM with IVIG?

    Participant:

    What measures of success exist for treating PM with IVIG? Do people generally feel weak the days before an infusion and then feel stronger after it? I see no effect except that my flares are less often and less severe. How do I know if IVIG is really helping?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    It has to be demonstrable and robust muscle strength improvement and not just a subjective feeling of being stronger or having more energy. Your neurologists or rheumatologist can do muscle strength testing before and after IVIG and demonstrate such improvement.

  • Will I have to take IVIG forever?

    Participant:

    Hello Doctor: I was initially diagnosed with PM in 2007, then DM was added in 2008. In 2010 Secondary Sjogrens and Secondary Raynaud’s Phenonema was added. I had Dyspnea and Dysphalgia from the get go along with weakness and pain in my proximal muscles that spread to the distal muscles as far as my hands and feet. I have been on IVIG Therapy for two consecutive days for six months since August 2008 with a breather for 3-4 months between three different 6 month intervals. The skin seems to clear up after I am on the IVIG in abt 3-4 months, my CPK, aldolase and other blood levels come down to a more acceptable level also. I am also on MTX injections of 1cc/week since October 2007, and no backing down since my CPK seems to shoot back up after being off the IVIG abt 3 months later and the skin symptoms also come back. I am now in the second month of my third series. I am also overweight. I see two good Rheumatologists frequently along with cardiologist, pulmonoloogist, gastoenternologist, Dermatologist, and Opthomalogist who all know each other and monitor me for cancer and cardio which have found no cancer or heart damage. Will I have to be taking IVIG forever? Any other ideas?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Sounds like you may be needing IVIG for a while.

  • Radiation and dermata

    Participant:

    I have dermata but now have breast cancer and will need radiation and wonder what this will do to my dermata?I have in the past taken IVIG to control dermata but right now only on prednisone.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    You can probably take either IVIG or prednisone quite safely in this situation.

  • IBM remission possible?

    Participant:

    1.There appears to be no hard evidence that any patients diagnosed with IBM have a remission of the disease. Do you believe there is any remission as high as say 1%?

    2. Is there any evidence that giving an IBM patient 5-10mg of Prednisone is of any use whatsoever?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No. I have never heard of or seen remission in IBM. Prednisone usually does not work.

  • Intolerance to IVIG?

    Participant:

    Have you seem many patients who develop an intolerance to their IVIG?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    IVIG may not work in everyone and some patients do develop tolerance. I am not sure what you meant by intolerance.

  • Flu Symptoms

    Participant:

    What are your recommendations to help eliminate the flu symptoms that occur for some patients?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    I am not sure what your question is? Is this flu part of the disease manifestation or in response to a specific treatment?

  • Is there any guideline about exercise after IVIG?

    Participant:

    Is there any guideline about exercise after IVIG? For example, if you usually would go to the gym the day after and you feel up to it, what are the pros and cons? Does it help to get your circulation going at an accelerated rate which might help your body absorb the IG quicker?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No evidence linking benefits of IVIG with exercise.

  • Has IVIG had any benefits for Inclusion Body Myositis?

    Participant:

    Has IVIG had any benefits for Inclusion Body Myositis?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No clear benefit.

  • Would ivig be of any benefit to me to help with regaining any muscle strength?

    Participant:

    Dx w/ DM Feb 2010. Ck high as 24,000. After 80 mg of pred and methotrexate, recovery and muscle strength went up then down after dropping to 20 mg as ck went down in 5/2010. Maybe lowered too fast. Relapsed and felt worse than first episode. Went back up to 60 mg pred. Switched to Medrol 60 mg 8/2011, not absorbing pred., and slowly lowered dose as ck lowered. Ck now between 40 and 90 for last 5 months. Now down to 8 mg Medrol. Lost a lot of muscle after relapse and having difficulty gaining any back w/ therapy for last three months. I get very tired and muscles fatigued every day by early afternoon. Would ivig be of any benefit to me to help with regaining any muscle strength? My rheumatologist won’t prescribe it as she says my ck is under control and she can’t justify it to my health care plan. Thank you for a response. DP

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    If your symptoms are not controlled, I really don’t care what is happening with your cpk and your symptoms and your diagnosis needs to be reevaluated.

  • Horrible Headaches after IVIG

    Participant:

    My daughter, age 25, had a relapse of her JDM in December. She underwent IVIG, which was wonderful. She had a headache after, but it went away with an increase in her Prednisone. Her second IVIG type was changed and she had no problem at all. The 3rd IVIG resulted in a migrane type headache which did not go away till she was treated in the emergency room. She followed all the recommendations of pre-treating with Benadryl and Tylenol. She drank a lot of water and the treatment went slowly. She had a dose of 130. Thankfully, she did not need another treatment. My question is, is this normal because if she were to have to undergo treatment in the future we would like recommendations from you regarding dosage and length of treatment time. IVIG was a miracle in the length of her recovery time from this relapse.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Migraines are not uncommon in IVIG therapy and respond to premedication, slower rate of infusion and some times to migraine prophylaxis medications.

  • Exercise recommendation for advanced stage of IBM?

    Participant:

    I am 69 yr old male. Do you recommend any type exercise for advanced stage of IBM? How about medication?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Just aerobic physical activity (stationary bike, swimming).

  • IVIG treating IBM?

    Participant:

    I was officially diagnosed with IBM 2 years ago. My dysphagia started about 5yrs. ago and my quads were affected soon after. I have had 2 consecutive 3mos treatments with IVIG. The dysphagia is improved the quads are about the same. What is your experience with the IVIG in treating IBM? Is this disease sometimes self-limiting?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    IVIG works in some people but only slightly. SHould not be routinely used but at least in my opinion it has a role in some individuals with IBM

  • Is it normal to feel worn out after IVIG infusions?

    Participant:

    Is it normal to feel worn out after IVIG infusions? It seems as though prior to my infusions (5 M-F, once a month) I have a lot of energy but by my Thursday infusion, I’m breathing worse and by the next week I’m worn out.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Most people have the reverse, i.e. more energy with IVIG but I have seen this as well. Not unusual.

  • Chest Pain

    Participant:

    I had IVIG for my IBM from 1/30/06-12/22/07;4/23/09-1/29/10 for a total of 86. I had a heart attack on 11/16/08. The last several mos. of the Tx, I experienced chest pain, is that unusual? I believe IVIG, Cellcept & Imuran are the reasons I’m walking so well today. Thank you.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    If you have had such a prominent response to treatments, then we should question your diagnosis of IBM, since IBM does not respond as robustly. I am not sure that I would have been brave enough to try cellcept, Imuran and IVIG in a diagnosed case of IBIM, especially with heart attack.

  • Have you had any experience with IVIG as a TX for this long period of time?

    Participant:

    Dx PM in ’99 in Buffalo,NY. Over a course 4yrs., Tx was Prednisone, MTX & Azathioprine. Severe weakness in paraspinal muscles. Need a neck brace for ADLs & BiPap with O2 at HS. I also delevoped osteoporsis and HTN. After 4 visits and consults at CLeveland Cl.I tried 3 courses of IVIG with no improvement. Have also been to Dr. Ottis and John Hopkins Myositis Clinic with no new advice/tx. I haven’t been on any PM meds for the past 5 yrs. I’ve been told my PM is resistive to TX. My Dr., a rheumatologist consulted with Drs. at this year’s Rheumatologist Conference regarding my case. They recommend trying IVIG again but for a longer period of time ie 1-2 yrs. Have you had any experience with IVIG as a TX for this long period of time? I would greatly appreciate your advice and thoughts on this TX. My Dr wants so much to help me improve and not regress any further. He is always open to medical opinions and does consult with me, leaving the final decision to me. Thank-you

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Not sure how old you are but I would be concerned about IBM in your case especially if there are no responses to treatment.

  • Which type of myositis is helped with IVIG?

    Participant:

    Which type of myositis is helped with IVIG?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Dermatomyositis the most, then polymyositis. In my opinion in few cases of early IBM, IVIG may have a role but not routinely in all cases of IBM.

  • Side Effects of IVIG?

    Participant:

    What are the side effects of the IVIG? And how serious are these?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Many side effects, almost all related to infusion (risk of allergic reactions, anaphylaxis, fever, chills, headaches, chemical meningitis, blood clots, infusion reaction), etc. kidney failure can happen. congestive heart failure can happen.

  • Is there any funding for IVIG Tx?

    Participant:

    Due to the high cost and many insurances not covering this TX, Is there any funding for IVIG Tx?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No alternate funding for IVIG other than insurance based.

  • What is the pattern sequence for IVIG TXs?

    Participant:

    What is the pattern sequence for IVIG TXs? and for how long can an individual receive these TXs?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Not sure I understand the question.

  • Can my doctor get in touch?

    Participant:

    Is there any way my Dr. can get in touch you for your opinion on my case?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    My address is on the myositis webpage under medical advisory board and yes your doctor can get in touch with me.

  • IVIG and Imuran at the same time?

    Participant:

    hello Dr. Mozaffar. How fortunate we are of having you as a panelist. I have had amyopathic DM for the last 13 years. About 80% of my body is affected with rashes and severe itching. I have done all the first degree treatments: plaquenil, prednisone, methotrexate, cellcept. I have also had two remicade infusions. My condition completely dissappeared while I was pregnant. I’m seeing a dermatologyst at Oregon Health and Science University. She is recommending Ivig and imuran at the same time. What do you think of this combination treatment? How long do you think I would have to be on this treatment to see results? what are the worst side effects I should expect? One final question: has anyone with ADM or DM ever gone into remision with Ivig. thank you very much for taking my questions.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    IVIG and imuran either alone or in combo are good choices and I am okay with it. Your liver enzymes will have to be watched more carefully. Once you respond, the treatment duration will need to be decided. See my earlier answers for worse side effects. I have had patients with DM who have gone into remission with IVIG.

  • Safe to take baby aspirin?

    Participant:

    I AM PM PAITENT 1-I AM ON METROTEXATE 12.5 MG. WEEK. IS IT SAFE TO TAKE BABY ASPRIN FOR BLOOD PRESSURE DAILY 2 IS IT SAFE TO DRINK 6 OZ OF WINE DAILY 3 I AM 77 YRS OLD AND HAD P M MYOSITIS SINCE 1980 AND WAS IN REMISSION FOR 28 YRS I STILL HAVE SOMEWHAT NORMAL LIFE, WORK IN YRD. etc.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    yes and yes

  • Negative IVIG side effects?

    Participant:

    Have any negative affects been associated with use of IVIG? If so, what are they?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Risk of allergic reactions, kidney failure and blood clots

  • Differences between the types of IVIG available?

    Participant:

    What are the primary differences between the types of IVIG available?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    How they are prepared, how they are purified, what the different salts and sugars are, etc.

  • Might I be a good candidate for IVIG?

    Participant:

    I am a recently diagnosed IBM patient and am considering treament alternatives. My question is: Might I be a good candidate for IVIG and if so why?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Depends on how early your disease is and whether your physician is willing to put up a fight with insurance to get it approved, since it normally does not get approved that easily. But I do offer it to some patients with IBM.

  • Rituxan / IVIG combo for 7 year old?

    Participant:

    My son (7 years old) was diagnosed with Juvenile Dermatomyositis 2 years back along with ILD. Currently he is on IVIG 2 gram/KG every 4 weeks which was started 1 1/2 year back. His enzymes (AST and ALT) remained steadily in 100s after it came down from the range of 500 – 600 with IVIG. He has been on Rituxan for last 6 months and enzymes are down to 40s to 50s range. His initial frequency of IVIG of every 3 weeks has been changed to every 4 weeks for last 3 months. Per my knowledge the effect of IVIG comes down with time. We do not want him to go back to more frequent infusion of IVIG. Do you ever recommend giving higher than 2 gram/KG to maintain the same efficacy if needed rather than increasing frequency? How immunosuppressed is my son with Rituxan, since he is also on IVIG simultaneously? We appreciate your help very much.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    If the rituxan worked, he may not need as frequent doses of IVIG as he did before, which is good. Rituxan is a pretty safe medications. We normally don’t consider the kind of doses of IVIG that are used in rheumatology or neurology as immunosuppressive so it should not add to the immunosuppression from Rituxan.

  • I hear that some with ms have been able to walk after a while using IVIG?

    Participant:

    I take IVIG for my dm but I also have a dropped foot and can’t walk. I hear that some with ms have been able to walk after a while using IVIG. Can this be possible for me? I do feel much stronger than before using IVIG

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    I don’t know. I would want to make sure that we are not dealing with IBM in your situation since foot drop can happen in that.

  • Risky side effects?

    Participant:

    What risky side effects do you most see with people getting IVIG for more than one year?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Blood clots.

  • Does IVIG have anything to do with sed rate?

    Participant:

    My sed rate recently went high up. Does IVIG have anything to do with this problem?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    IVIG makes blood thicker and that can make the sed rate go up.

  • Did IVIG have anything to do with WBC going down?

    Participant:

    My WBC went down to 2.1 a few months ago. Did IVIG have anything to do with this? I w as also lowering my preds at that time. My ending told me that IVIG did not cause it. Not sure.

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    we have seen that quite a bit with IVIG but other drugs such as methotrexate or imuran can do that as well. Some people on IVIG can develop antibodies to white cells and thus the low levels of WBC. You may need to change the brand of IVIG you are getting

  • Is there any evidence that IVIG helps for IBM with the exception of minimally for swallowing?

    Participant:

    Is there any evidence that IVIG helps for IBM with the exception of minimally for swallowing?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    No.

  • How do I choose an IVIG brand?

    Participant:

    I see several “brands” of IVIG, how do I choose?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Liquid 10% solutions with the lowest IgA, sucrose and osmolality are the best.

  • How often and to what extent is IVIG successful for treating PM?

    Participant:

    Dr Mozaffar, I will be starting IVIG for my PM. How often and to what extent is it successful for treating PM. Also, is IVIG safe?

    Dr. Mozaffar:

    Quite effective and safe. I have never seen anyone go into remission but symptoms can be controlled vastly. Frequent (at least once a month or every two months during maintanence). quite safe

TMA:

Well, that’s it for today’s discussion. Thanks to all the members who participated today. To Dr. Mozaffar thank you for graciously spending the time to answer TMA member questions.

Dr. Mozaffar: